oh god oh god oh god pinworms!!

Tue Feb 07, 2006 5:57 am

I am seriously freaked out. I found out that my rats and mice have pinworms!! I have to pick up a dewormer tomorrow from the vet..but still I am disturbed

Considering I have to touch their poop (cleaning cages and cleaning up little presents) I think I probably have them too. Sure I wash my hands but I still think there is a good chance I have them

This scares the heck out of me...O_O

Anyhow I found out about this because the vet called about Big Boys necropsy and said that he died of a GI hemmorage and they found a few pin worms. She says that the pin worms did not cause the hemmorage, but they were still present...

ugh

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Tue Feb 07, 2006 5:58 am

"This infection is caused by a small, white intestinal worm called Enterobius vermicularis (EN-ter-O-be-us ver-MIK-u-lar-is). Pinworms are about the length of a staple and live in the rectum of humans. While an infected person sleeps, female pinworms leave the intestines through the anus and deposit eggs on the surrounding skin."

OH MY GOD!!!!! *DIES*

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Tue Feb 07, 2006 6:26 am

OMG

I must admit, I have never heard of this happening in rats. Puppy Dog Eyes

I'm so sorry and hope your ratties are feeling better quickly.

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Tue Feb 07, 2006 6:48 am

I think I am dying.....

ergh

I looked it up and it seems its fairly common in rats and mice and very very common in people

I thinkI might have to kill myself though. I can't live like this...ugh

The thought of worms in my body and crawling out of me at night to lay eggs on my skin is too much to handle!!!! Faint

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Tue Feb 07, 2006 7:03 am

Ok I just found out some info that saved my life! You cant get pinworms from pets!! yay they have a different kind I guess.

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Tue Feb 07, 2006 7:37 am

Just goes to show, never panic wink

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Tue Feb 07, 2006 7:41 am

Worms are so so common, especially pinworms (also called threadworms) in humans - but please don't worry yourself over rat ones - they won't get to you. Mostly, they cause no problems (and often never even get found unless they cause problems in heavy infestations, or incidentally during other exams (like the necropsy).

If you ever do find yourself infected, just go to the chemist/pharmacist and buy yourself some antiworm stuff - they sell it as tablets or drinks in the UK and they're not too bad as they have to get them into kids. Pripsen rings a bell.

Worms are thoroughly gross to think about, but we, as humans, have so much stuff living on us that they're just one more thing among the bacteria, fungi, mites, lice and all other manner of critters that find their way in/on us.

Edit: As Ratguide says about Rat pinworms (which are totally unrelated to human ones) - "This parasite is not considered pathogenic unless there is heavy infestation or in the immunocompromized" - so there you go. Normally it's not even regarded as a problem unless there are signs of illness.

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Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:21 am

Heh thank you. I really paniced. THEN only after doing more research I realized that I was fine wooh.

Worms give me the willies

I am concerned about my babies though so I am going to get dewormer ;D

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Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:36 am

Ivermectin should sort out pinworms in rats. Just be sure to treat all of them, and obviously clear out the cage if you go the eradication route - much as you'd do for mites etc. otherwise, they'll just reinfect each other.

http://ratguide.com/health/digestive/endoparasites.php has more advice.

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Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:24 am

OH MY GAWD EWW!

*hugs Rouge* I love and treasure all life. But worms that live in or on people (tapeworms, ringworms, butt-hole worms) all creep me out. Creep me out a LOT. Maggots and squirmers..BLARGH

Love to your rats, may their butt-bugs soon be nothing but a distant nightmare >_>

Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:57 am

Well hopefully I can reassure you on one point - ringworm isn't actually a worm - it's a fungal infection. Scabies, on the other hand, is very similar to mites (or sarcoptic mange) - I must admit, I find the thought of insects burrowing into my skin way freakier than worms.

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Tue Feb 07, 2006 10:47 am

butt worms lol what a way to phrase it !

Hehe and I have had ring worm before ( I worked at a groomers) and it sucks. Its not a worm though like willow said wink

I have bad scars from it though Sad

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Tue Feb 07, 2006 6:46 pm

	Celynny wrote:
	OH MY GAWD EWW! hugs Rouge

Yes lots of hugs for rouge so she can spread the worms..er I mean love Blink

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Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:42 pm

GAH don't be gross >.<
You're both gross. EWWY wormy things.

I just have a normal and healthy aversion to parasites, in any form. The only cute parasite is a dead one >_> I'm all about loving life and crap, but parasites freak me out. Like. Gag.
I've been corrupted by Hollywood

Wed Feb 08, 2006 12:12 am

Oh there are some horrible parasites - worms that live inside your skin, and poke their heads out occasionally.... they have to be wound out on a matchstick over days or weeks (so that you don't snap them and leave bits inside to fester) and you keep the matchstick with them around it to make sure it can't retreat back into the skin of the patient. Then you have the flies that lay their eggs under the skin, and you develop what you think is a boil but it has a fly larvae growing in it.

Oh, and everyone has mites living inside their eyelash follicles. wink

I am so eebil. LOL

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Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:32 am

Celynny is going to pluck out her eyelashes now... The matchbook worm thing is something I have NEVER heard of...and even though I am fond of worms that would ick even me out. The fly thing really icks me out. I dont like maggots...worms are ok but maggots are icky. And that seriously was icky. Shaz

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Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:46 am

LittleWillow wrote:

Oh there are some horrible parasites - worms that live inside your skin, and poke their heads out occasionally.... they have to be wound out on a matchstick over days or weeks (so that you don't snap them and leave bits inside to fester) and you keep the matchstick with them around it to make sure it can't retreat back into the skin of the patient. Then you have the flies that lay their eggs under the skin, and you develop what you think is a boil but it has a fly larvae growing in it.

Oh, and everyone has mites living inside their eyelash follicles. wink

I am so eebil. LOL

I hate you, shut up ;_;

LOL

Wed Feb 08, 2006 2:49 am

Isn't the "matchbook" worm a huge problem in 3rd world countries where people still work all day in and drink contaminated water? I forget the name of the worms but I think I read something about them in National Geographic. Gross. I saw an interesting (and by interesting I mean gross) show on I think National Geographic or Discovery channel about the worst parasites - there's one that will swim up a guy's thingermajigger when he's swimming (I think it's a fish - or maybe a worm), and a tiny little itty bitty worm that goes in your eye. They had an interview with a guy who had it and he said he was watching tv when he felt something in his eye and his vision was a little weird, like when you get an eyelash in your eye. When he went to look in the bathroom he could see it on his eye Blink

Oh and I think Bot Flies are the ones that lay larvae boils on things.

Yick!

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Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:25 am

Oh man...One of my cats once got some kind of parasitic thing on his neck...I think they're called bore worms(?) Anyway, this thing came up on his neck with a little hole in the middle, and we thought it was an abscess...and then we saw this little weird thing moving inside. I took a needle and tried to pick it out, and eventually I did...and it was this 1/2 inch long maggot looking thing. Shocked

It was officially the grossest ever.

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Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:38 am

Yes Britt it is a minnow..well of sorts. Bots are bugs that horses get alot.. flys lay their eggs on horses legs, the horses chew off the eggs. Eggs are swallowed and the larvae hatch out then burrow into the stomach and intestinal lineing...they can cause sever problems. There is some sort of parasite that is in the stomach that when the larva hatch they work their way up the throat so the host inhales them into the lungs..yummy huh? Shaz

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Wed Feb 08, 2006 1:42 pm

Yup yup - lots and lots of gross parasites out there. I spent quite a while studying them at university. I must admit I prefer viruses myself. They don't gross me out as much for sure and are quite beautiful under the electron microscope.

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Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:38 pm

Wow all of these things are going to cause me to tear my flesh off and shave my eyelashes lol

Hehe while I love bugs and all, worms or other things burrowing inside my body is just a no no

Those "butt worms" aka pinworms are especially bad for women.. I mean they will crawl all up in your girly parts and everything Thumbs Up

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Wed Feb 08, 2006 7:45 pm

Butt worms are gross. They should just not exist ;_;
Hmmph yucky butt worms.

Rouge if you tear your skin off you'll be one zillion times more prone to getting bacterial, viral and parasitic infections. Think of how tasty you'd be to all those things if you were skinned. Pulsing blood and muscle would pretty much guarantee that you'd be crawling in a matter of minutes. Assuming you lived at all. If you died there'd be even more drawn to you by your decay O_o; Mmmmm Decay.

I wonder how long a human could live if they were skinned, or at least had a majority of their body skinned. Isn't that the problem with burn victims and infections - that they are essentially skinned? I was never very familiar with that. I know burn victims are susceptible not only because the skin that keeps out infection is stripped away, but its trauma also weakens the immune system etc....So...would skinning be similar?

..What a morbid topic. >_>; I need to go ask Hannibal I think.

Wed Feb 08, 2006 8:59 pm

Perhaps If I just throw myself into a fire then have someone thoss my blacken chared corpse into a grinder...perhaps that would solve the problem of warms wanting my tasty tasty body lol

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Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:30 pm

No I dont think so. Consider the miniscule amounts of protein that would be left. There would be tons of bacteria (at the least) waiting to come break you down all the way and bring your body full circle.

I don't think that would work. You'd probably have to be jetissoned into space...but I bet something would eat you there too O.o, something we haven't discovered yet.

Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:22 pm

To space I go to be devoured by horrible (yet not as horrible as worms) aliens!

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Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:36 pm

If you were burnt in a high enough temperature oven, like a crematorium oven, then you would be reduced to powder - there's not much to eat then.

The problem with burns is fluid loss and infection - you lose literally gallons of fluid through the burns if they're extensive, plus you have simply no defence to infections, and your body will find it very difficult, if not impossible, to heal up without skin grafts and lots of surgery to remove dead tissue - they literally cut it away with a plane (like when you plane down a piece of wood by shaving off the surface) type tool until they get to tissue that bleeds - so that they ensure that only live tissue is left. If they leave dead tissue, it gets necrotic which just begs for nasty infections to set in.

Working in a burns unit is hard work and very challenging emotionally as well as physically - there's enormous pain (even with painkillers like morphine) and frustration. Setbacks are common, and recovery is long. But it's very rewarding too when you see the improvements and can help someone recover from horrific injuries and return to a normal life again... and for the statutory gross out comment now.... if you like peeling sunburn, then a burns nurse is a good way to satisfy your peeling urges. wink

Edit: And yes, Rouge - in girls, girly bit irritation, infections, cystitis and even yeast infections can be triggered off by the irritation of the wiggly worms (with or without the scratching on top of that).

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Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:14 am

Well now if I ever get a yeast infection I guess I shold prepare for a panic O_O

If I ever go to the gyno and find out I have worms in my girly wonder land I am telling you my life ends there Shocked

*shudders*

er anyhow...~_~

15 rats and 7 mice later I have succesfully given everyone their first dewormer orally.

Some of my ratties and meece were good taking the meds and loved it like it was the bestest treat in the world!!!!...other acted like I was going to litterally kill them and apparantly did not like the taste.

Hehe

When I put someone back in the cage though all the others would attack them and try to eat them because they would have yummy medicine all over their face

it was cute, but very very difficult...ugh

I have to repeat the process again in 10 days woohooo

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Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:10 am

Okay, sheesh, I am gone off the computer (and this board) for 2 freaking days, AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS! Grrrrreat. worms, fungus, and parasites...oh my.

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Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:02 pm

Reminds me of the Wizard of Oz.... Fungus and wormies and bugs, oh my!

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Fri Feb 10, 2006 3:15 am

And there is enough to go around for everyone

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Fri Feb 10, 2006 7:14 am

Ok I just spoted a flea..YES a flea on one of my rats....

what is going on here???

My dog doesnt even have fleas!

Jeez the only way I can think of that these critters get in here is because I work with dogs

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Fri Feb 10, 2006 7:49 am

Could be - while rats have their own fleas (which aren't closely related to cat/dog fleas) cat and dog fleas can bite rats and hitch a ride on them for a while. They prefer not to, if a dog is around, but fleas will bite anything warmblooded given no other option.

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Fri Feb 10, 2006 7:52 am

I'm not sure what the physical difference of each flea is, but it looked pretty similar to the fleas I see on dogs.

I am almost positive my dog does not have fleas because she is white and she is washed once a week.

Its winter and all these nasty little bugs are invading my home!

Thank goodness that medicine gets rid of fleas too....

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Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:11 am

Oh yeah - they'd look pretty similar to the naked unmagnified eye.

Aye - ivermectin is good like that. Worms, mites, fleas, lice etc....

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