Petsmart=Petstupid. WARNING*GRAPHIC PIX*

Wed Oct 12, 2005 8:31 am

Why Some People Who Work At Pet Stores Should Die.

I'm glad me and my boyfriend decided to rescue this little guy and his brother.

When we first went to the pet store to pick out a mouse, we bought a little brown and white one located in the tank below the little fellow that I am about to show you.

WE named the little brown mouse rongkai and he obviously was being beat on by a more dominant male.

We went back to the pet store a few days later to see that the meaner male that had attacked rongkai was in the tank with this guy and his poor brother. So we bought them both.

This is what the little guy looked like when we FIRST got him

Nice normal looking mousy with just a few scabs on his tail right? No big deal.... now the strange thing I noticed is that he felt really hard all over his backend and his tail was stuck to his side..it was crooked. It was like a shell..I just figured it was a few scabs clustered together and that his tail was deformed

Boy was I off. Those clusters of scabs were actually one gigantic scab that led to this (this is the scab beginning to fall off)

And that eventually led to this

The scab is coming off..but c'mon these mice would have died if I didnt buy them. Employees need to take a course in animal behavior or somthing. WHen I bought him and his brother they were apparantly stressed and terrified. The bigger meaner male was pushing them around and wo uldnt let them eat or go on the wheel...

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Luckily his brother only had a damaged tail. The little grey man had a swollen front foot and he couldnt use his backfoot too well.

He seems happy now, even though helooks like he is going to die. I put neosporin on him and his scab seems to be coming off nicely (yes nicely...and disgustingly :/ )

All in all I think he will be ok. He is active, attempts to run on his wheel (but cant due to his swollen feet and the scab) and is eating well. Him and his brother still live together and get along great. Never had males that NEVEr fought before this.

Hopefully this will be a happy ending

Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:02 am

OMG OMG

*urk*

the poor baby!

Has he been to the vet?!

(I edited your post title, those are very graphic pix.)

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Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:28 am

If you haven't already, please take him to the vet to see if he needs oral antibiotics. That's an ENORMOUS wound for such a tiny critter. Sad

Be sure to report the pet store. That's thoroughly disgusting.

Edit: Thanks Kate, I was about to edit the title myself.

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Wed Oct 12, 2005 5:09 pm

He has been to the vet...I mean the only person around here that would look at mice anyway :/

The vet is the one who suggested the neosporin and he said that its going to look really nasty for the next couple days but its just a scab falling off so it should be fine...and to just be sure to put it on twice a day. Thats it. I was like wow ok...O_o

If you think that this is probably bs I will defiently try to find someone else!

Little mousy has had it for a long time, but this is just the scab falling off. I mean if you look at the first picture you cant even tell there is really anyting wrong with him..so imagine my shock when I go to take him out one day and it looks like his body is falling apart.

The petsmart closest to me isnt that great. This is the only situation I've seen like this though.

The other petsmart near me is the best pet store I've seen. Its super clean, and its the only place where they dont pick up the mice by the tails...

but yeah

I am going to report this one...this is just sick...:/

There were alot of baby mice in another tank.. I just hope they didnt put the male in with any of them

I mean the male tried to attack the lady and the mice when she was taking the 2 boys I bought out of the tank. That tells you somthing right there...

Wed Oct 12, 2005 7:43 pm

If the Neosporin is working and the mouse is acting okay now -- eating and drinking and popping okay, playing too -- then I'd say no worries. You could always try getting a second opinion by phone or e-mail from a vet. They can't diagnose or prescribe anything but they could at least tell you if the treatment is advisable or if he'd need to be seen again.

You can get Petsmart to pay for his treatment if you have all of this documented, and I'm sure that the merest mention of threatening to take those photos to the local paper would have the store paying up pretty quickly.

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Wed Oct 12, 2005 8:38 pm

Geez, that's terrible. Sad

I've seen similar situations in pet stores before...a feeder bin full of males and females, with two or three males getting picked on and harrassed until they're near death. When I see those situations, I usually go ahead and buy the mouse ( a buck fifty isn't really a huge investment.) so they can at least die in peace, without their cagemates worrying them. I used to take them to the vet, but they NEVER made it, and the stress always seemed to make it worse for them, so I just stopped. I'm glad your little guy is doing okay, though.

I'm really surprised this happened at a Petsmart... my Petsmart isn't perfect, but its one of the nicest pet stores I've come across. They at least get their animals to the vet when they need it.
Its amazing how much stores vary from location to location. There have to be some sort of rules or regulations as to the treatment and care the animals recieve in corporations like that...even franchises, I know have something to follow. Its too bad they don't put more effort into enforcing them. Sad

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Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:49 pm

Poor little meece! That looks so painful. Blink

I hope he recovers well.

Wed Oct 12, 2005 10:06 pm

i'm going to go cry now.....

poor little man! keep us updated on how he's doing....

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Wed Oct 12, 2005 11:45 pm

Him and his brother are doing really wonderfully! And trust me I am suprised. I know they would have died if I left them in there.... When I took them home, they barely moved for a week...they were so stressed out.

In the cage at the petstore, his brother was sleeping on top on his waterbottle to stay away from the meaner male, and the little grey guy kept trying to run in the wheel but kept getting attacked.

I thought the little brown boy was originally worse off so I planned on buying him...then I saw that the grey one was getting attacked too so I took them both.

They are so cute together, they never leave each others side, they never fight, and they always have to eat off the same food block.

Truly they are happy little guys now, always in there wheel or doing some sort of other mousy activity.

And yes, petsmart will get theres. > Sad

(like I said the other petsmart by my house is clean and everyone is super nice to the animals)

Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:46 am

I'm glad the boys are doing well!

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Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:58 am

Well, I think the reason that PetSmart (and some others) have problems like that with some of the animals because they only sell one sex.

Now, most of the female only stores don't have anywhere near the problems that the male only stores have. They don't seem to realize that if you have a group of males already living together, and you add another male (or another group of males) to the existing males, they will fight like that.

Not only does that apply for male mice, but also for hamsters especially. I have actually witnessed a petstore employee put a male Syrian hamster in with a female dwarf hamster that was brought back by a customer. The customer actually asked if they would be okay, as the Syrian was already harrassing the poor little girl - and the employee said they would be fine!! Not only were they 2 different species of hamster, but Syrians are solitary and will kill any other hamster put in with them (except for when mating).

It almost seems that petstore employees can be some of the most ignorant people ever - and some are supposed to be "experts" in animals. That always makes me laugh.

I am glad that you saved that poor little boy, and I really hope he recovers. That is just horrible, and if you haven't reported that store yet please do! When you do report it, make sure you include that you have pictures and vet documentation as evidence of neglect.

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Thu Oct 13, 2005 6:17 pm

*twitch* That's horrible. That poor little guy. I hope he's doing better. Sad

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Tue Nov 08, 2005 2:43 am

Generally Big petstores here in the UK like pets at home are very considerate! They actually train in basics of the animal behaviour for the animals they sell. My friend works in a pets at home branch and he too got training for the basics for rats, mice, hamsters, parrots, snakes, spiders, rabbits etc. Unless these places get reported there will be more of those mice. Unless they change. Btw isn't there an org. called PETA in America that you can report this to?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:27 am

PETA.

Fat lot of good they are. PETA is good for sensationalism and propaganda, but useless for actually getting anything done and using their multitudes of resources for anything other than billboards and commercials that no one even sees because they get banned from airing.
Ingrid Newkirk's heart was probably in the right place at some point, but the whole organization is now little more than a radical group of weak mindeds who know little other than what's fed to them. The few people with sense who find themselves working for PETA quickly leave the group 9 times out of 10.

Don't even get me started on PETA.

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Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:31 am

Poor meece. How are they now? Looking better?

PETA makes me sick. I refuse to endorse or support such an asinine "organization". Sure, intentions are "good" but all they do is make animal lovers look like crazed morons.

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Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:35 am

We also have a UK branch of PETA as well...

I think you have it right, Ratsicles, that their heart was probably in the right place to start off with... but they have ended up resorting to sensationalism, propaganda and half truths. I think my major problem though is that they don't condemn those who commit terrorist acts, such as the ALF, and misrepresent what these people actually do. The below is part of their FAQ:

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“How can you justify the millions of dollars of property damage caused by the Animal Liberation Front (ALF)?”

Throughout history, some people have felt the need to break the law to fight injustice. The Underground Railroad and the French Resistance are examples of movements in which people broke the law in order to answer to a higher morality. The ALF, which is simply the name adopted by people who act illegally in behalf of animal rights, breaks inanimate objects such as stereotaxic devices and decapitators in order to save lives. ALF members burn empty buildings in which animals are tortured and killed.

I certainly don't regard car tampering, letter bombs, threatening to kill children at a nursery school, or stealing the body of a someone's grandmother from her grave as being harmless, nor do I think that releasing hundreds of mink from a fur farm into the wild as being humane (for the mink or the local wildlife). I'm all for humane treatment of animals, for people to choose to be vegetarian or vegan, to work towards alternatives to animal testing - but, unlike some of the extremists, I don't regard human lives as being worth less than animal lives.

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Sun Nov 13, 2005 1:44 pm

that was so horrible. im so happy they have a nice home... poor poor guys. how could the employees just let that happen....tsk tsk.

Tue Nov 22, 2005 7:20 pm

Is there an update to this? How they doing now?

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Tue Nov 22, 2005 9:57 pm

Poor guy... I hope he is doing better.

I agree with Britt and Andy on PETA. It does absolutely nothing about anything. Releasing domestic animals into the wild is not humane, as are most of the things they do Sad

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Wed Nov 30, 2005 4:44 pm

OMG...is all that i can say with out getting in trouble Banghead

Fri Dec 16, 2005 12:08 pm

Goodness Ijust looked at those pics again. Its hard to imagine him like that.

HIm and his brother are now perfectly fat healthy mice sharing a cage with 2 other boys

I went back to petsmart and talked to them about how they housed their males.

They seemed to listen to me and now there are 2 different cages for males.

Guess that helped a bit to prevent over crowding and fights.

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Fri Dec 16, 2005 9:32 pm

What great news, both about the boys and the store! Thanks for the update!

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Kate & the M.O.U.S.
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Sat Dec 17, 2005 6:24 am

You're welcome. Its so strange, there is no way you could even tell that he was injured. His hair is a bit thin around his backside but thats it. Hes nice and fat now and seems happy. He doesnt like to be handled much but I can't blame him. He was in so much pain when I first got him and unfortunately I had to pick him up alot to put medicine on his back. I was gentle but there was no way that it couldn't have hurt Sad

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Sat Dec 17, 2005 9:21 am

OMG that is so horrible! And people are always saying that Petsmart is a good place and treats their animals very well! I am so glad you found him! Im really glad you reported them!

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Sat Dec 17, 2005 9:22 am

And Little Willow yes freey animals that are tortured and neglected and stuck in a tiny little cage truely is terrorism.

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Sat Dec 17, 2005 10:13 am

When they destroy private property in the process (burning labs, barns, and equipment), When they send death threats to the heads of pharmecutical companies, When they lie to people who surrender animals to their shelter and euthanize those animals so that they will no longer have to be "enslaved," rather than finding them homes with the millions of dollars that they take in every year, When those animals are being released in non-native habitats where they will wreak havoc on the local wildlife and ecosystem (after most of them are hit by cars, of course) yes, that is terrorism.

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Sat Dec 17, 2005 10:45 am

Oh and alot of the things the ALF is said to do is actually some random people who claim to be ALF (like digging up that body for intance). And ratsicles not all animals get homes, im sure that they do not enjoy putting those animals to sleep (what are we talking about here PETA? Becuase when do people surrendor their animals to ALF?) I would just absolutly love to see you give all the homeless animals in the world to a good home and not have to put any of them to sleep.

And lots of people in ALF do not send death threats to people, im am surely agienst that and only few of the poeple in ALf do it so i don't think that you
should judge the whole group by a few peoples actions. And I don't see how money would help them find animal homes?

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Sat Dec 17, 2005 12:36 pm

Each to their own Tambria - I choose not to support an organisation that supports terrorism (and yes, I say that it's cruel to free animals that are domesticated into the wild, especially into environments they're not natural to) - and I think that people who have received car and letter bombs (not just threats, mind you, but actual bombs) and threatening to blow up and kill nursery school children because a few of the parents work for organisations that they've decided are cruel, would agree. Targetting the cleaners doesn't change things. It simply tends to prejudice people against the organisations that support terrorism. Shrug

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	And lots of people in ALF do not send death threats to people, im am surely agienst that and only few of the poeple in ALf do it so i don't think that you should judge the whole group by a few peoples actions.

When the leaders of an organisation say it's ok to send death threats, create explosive devices, steal corpses, destroy property and free animals to a certain (slow) death, then yes - I think you should judge the organisation on those "few people". Perhaps if you don't agree with these principles, you should look at associating yourself with an organisation that doesn't support terrorist activities.

For the record, when I was your age, I'd already gone the animal rights/ALF route, complete with protesting and thinking that everything in the world was black and white. Thankfully, as I got a little older, I saw there are shades of grey and that trying to ensure animals are cared for properly does not give anyone the right to kill or maim humans in the process. Trust me when I say I know what I'm talking about.

Animals aren't inferior to humans, but then again, humans aren't inferior to animals either.

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Sat Dec 17, 2005 8:28 pm

All: Rouge went back to Petsmart and got that store to make changes in their small animal policy. Do not turn one person's thread about their mouse into a platform for your soapboxing. If you need to talk about this stuff, either join a discussion on the topic that's already in place or start your own, but don't hijack other people's non-political threads.

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Sat Dec 17, 2005 11:27 pm

was my last post deleted or something Kate?.... becuase I just posted something...

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Sat Dec 17, 2005 11:29 pm

See here. Any further replies/discussion on such topics can be made in that thread, and we'll give this one back to the mice.

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If you saw a man drowning and you could either save him or photograph the event ... what kind of film would you use?
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Sun Dec 18, 2005 7:32 am

As for Petsmart being a bad place. Well it truly depends. Its honestly probably the best.

I bought a rat there that was over 1.5 years old. He was there his whole life, they never put him to sleep or anything. He was fat and friendly and seemed like he was well cared for.

Also, Petsmart doesnt sell their animals as feeders.

Its just male mice are hard to house together. Guess they didnt realize that. I wish people who worked their were better educated.

The other petsmart by me sells only females and they are by FAR The best i've ever seen. They get all types of lovely ratties too. I'm waiting for some more dumbos

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Sun Dec 18, 2005 7:49 am

It's often the way with chains - some stores are awful, some aren't... I saw for myself recently how a change in manager can turn a store from good to abysmal in just a couple of weeks. But there are always issues with pet stores on the whole (mainly impulse buying, lack of vetting new owners etc) and these extend to all pet stores - chains or otherwise. And independent stores can be just as good or bad as the larger ones (and tend to get their livestock from similar sources). All you can do really is try to change things by complaining where necessary, and hopefully they'll actually take that into consideration!

Definitely glad to see your little guys are all healed up and happy though - the poor guys looked so awful when they first got home. Any more photos of them? pics

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Sun Dec 18, 2005 8:15 am

	LittleWillow wrote:
	Any more photos of them?

I can't believe I forgot to beg for mice photos! LOL

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Sun Dec 18, 2005 9:07 am

I'll agree that of all the chain pet stores, Petsmart has been the best in my experience.

I also recently got Arthur, a rat who had been there for 10 months, since he was about 8 weeks old. He's also friendly and healthy. Our Petsmart only sells males, and they never overcrowd their animals. I've never seen more than three rats to a cage. All of the small pets have igloos, are on safe bedding, and all of the mice, hamsters, and gerbils have wheels. All of the animals have appropriate food- and they even give them fresh food daily.

The employees are all friendly, and while most of them aren't extremely knowledgeable, they really do appear to care about the animals and are open to learning any new info- they don't get all indignant when told something they don't know.

The only truly bad information I've ever gotten from anyone there was related to fish, but even so their fish are always healthy, the tanks clean, and I've never seen a dead fish even in the feeder fish tank.

I've been to several Petsmarts in a few different states, and the conditions are always pretty good. It's the only petstore I feel I can shop at without feeling terrible.

If it weren't for the whole small animal mill issue, I'd be completely happy.
They're so big on the "We don't sell puppies and kittens because of mills" thing, I don't understand why they don't work with local rescues on small animal/avian/reptile adoptions like they do with dogs and cats. Confused

Anyway, yes, I'd love to see new pics of your wee mousie too. Mr. Green

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Sun Dec 18, 2005 11:13 pm

I completely don't understand the mill issue...

I complained to petsmart about that once.

I do wonder where they get their mice from though...

They usually seem healthy. With an exception of a few,they were never really what I would call tame. Most of them are really jumpy.

As for mousy pictures, Yup I'll post some more soon!

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Sun Dec 18, 2005 11:19 pm

aww poor babies, sorry I never saw this post earlier, I am so glad that they are doing well. smooches to the ittle bittys